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Homesteaders...don't we just love them... 1 year 3 months ago #15961

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I know there have been a lot of comments about the homesteaders and I can understand it, but I do have to ask,,, I have seen comments about it having been outlawed. Were there trailer parks in the past on the larger bases? With the number of bases that have been cut, the remaining bases have by necessity gotten larger. If they have not built housing I can understand the use of the MWR facilities by the base commanders, however with the new change in priorities in DC can the needs be pressed with a new administration? The manning and size of bases have evolved into something the old locations weren't built for, and "trailer parks" would seem a cost effective solution. I know the base housing offices wont like having to maintain and police them, but it becomes a "needs of the service" issue. Is there something that can possibly be voiced through veterans or service groups?
Having been Coast Guard, our facilities typically aren't large enough to have extensive facilities except at a handful of training centers, but I have seen some other services with plenty of space and you would think sufficient infrastructure to accomadate these types of housing expansion.

Homesteaders...don't we just love them... 1 year 3 months ago #15962

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It would be great if the military embraced this lifestyle for folks that are looking for a minimalistic (or as my daughter puts it, smaller carbon footprint) way of life. Think of how much less PCS costs would be if even 10% of AD families were given this option? We have four kids and moved from our five bedroom base house (where we paid full BAH plus additional utility costs that varied not based upon consumption but a rather arbitrary billing system based upon comparison of homes in our community which could be occupied or unoccupied) into a 425 sq ft fifth wheel two years ago. We will retire here so PCS costs won't be saved in our case but we are in a much better financial place having downsized before retirement than after.

Homesteaders...don't we just love them... 1 year 2 months ago #16013

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:( So correct on the junk. I am currently staying(vacationing 12 days at Sigsbee NASKW) and the homesteaders are everywhere here. There are 3 parts to the park the far end, called the overflow has about 30 FHU sites and the rest are dry. Then there is the nice RV park with large concrete pads and very spacious sites a palm tree at every site, post card scenes. Then the last part, the part I'm currently in, the trailer trash end. Here we have junk scattered about the place. We have the outdoor furniture with the additional refrigerators known as "The Last Dive Bar". The grass isn't cut, all the sites are made from gravel and are only level around the site, because when it rains all the ponds are formed under your rig and of course right where you have to step out of your rig. As I said the grass is uncut and weeds out the ying yang. I'm told there is a mower and weed eater for check out if you need the yard mowed,"WHAT I pay to stay and now I have to mow the yard too!" That's like going to a restaurant and paying for your food and they tell you if you want to eat on clean dishes then you'll need to wash them. At the trailer trash end you are squeezed in like sardines, I sneezed and my neighbor said "Bless you" and passed a tissue to me. I always thought the "FamCamp" was for MWR and yet one of the reserved for Active Duty Vacationer site has a big classA parked in it and the license plate on the front states "USAF retired". I find it hard to enjoy myself in a facility in such a sad state when I know they make at least $1.0 million in fees a year. Personally I think all facilities should be short term stay no longer than 30 days and don't want to see you back here for 30 days. I know there are the long term stayers that will scream about that but you know this is for recreation and if you need to stay longer at one spot then buy a condo or vacation rv park spot. Sorry but I hate coming to these facilities and have to dry camp for 2 or 3 weeks and have to pay to store my RV basically. Oh lets not forget quiet hours and those homesteaders that complain about the gas fumes and noise. I've gone on long enough :blink:
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Homesteaders...don't we just love them... 1 year 2 months ago #16014

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DILLIGAFF wrote: Personally I think all facilities should be short term stay no longer than 30 days and don't want to see you back here for 30 days.


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Homesteaders...don't we just love them... 1 year 2 months ago #16015

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Don't agree with the 30 day limitation! Some of us want to visit friends or relatives or even get out of the northern weather for longer than 30 days. when I come to FL I can't get all our doctors appointments done in 30 days.
What ticks me off is when 30% of your spots are filled by the same people for over 2 ,years and I can't make a reservation because it's too much trouble to run a reservation system.

Homesteaders...don't we just love them... 1 year 2 months ago #16018

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I'm not saying you can only stay at a MWR FamCamp only 30 days but rather 30 days at any one base so stay at Patrick for 30 days then move over to McDill for 30 then you can move back to Patrick or on down the road. If you desire to stay in one place for the winter then buy a camping lot or into a resort and stay the winter then you can rent it out in the summer. But I don't think FamCamps were suppose to be a homestead area but rather a place for you to visit and relax. I'm not trying to be mean or nasty about this next comment but if you don't like the winters up north then move to the south and visit the north in the summer. No one ever retires and moves to the north they always move to the south or Arizona. Every time you stay at a FamCamp as a second home you are depriving some one else of their benefit to stay at that camp. That's my opinion and we all know what opinions are like. lol :)

Homesteaders...don't we just love them... 1 year 2 months ago #16020

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I always favored the 30 days in......minimum 14 days out. I could even understand a 15 day or 30 day at a time extension policy as long as 20% of the campground spaces were vacant and available to travelers. I cannot believe that supposedly intelligent commanders are perverting the intent of military campgrounds like they are. I understand their need to make money but what good is a campground that only the local clique and homesteaders can use.
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Homesteaders...don't we just love them... 1 year 2 months ago #16037

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Macdill is the worst about this, and local clique "insiders" LOL!
It's the macdill famcamp way, call a year before around Halloweenand make a reservation for up to six months, cost you $100 but you won't have to rotate off your pad, it's what the snowbirders there do yearly, there's people at macdill thatve been doing this for 20+ yrs, they don't even own a truck to move their 5th wheeler anymore, they hire someone to move their trailer outta storage lot when they arrive and move it back to storage when they leave.

Worse at macdill is how these reservation snowbirds will be gone for weeks, even months during their reservation going home or elsewhere and others will can't use a pad/hookups cuz the reservation snowbirder is squatting on a pad not actively there???

Macdill needs commander who will end the mafia/local clique favoritism/discrimination of outsiders. Also need more than one campground host as well as the job should be one season and done, not a lifelong job as that's why "Tom" (campground host at macdill) doesn't care and is worthless.

Key west does it fair IMO, you rotate onto pad or opt out for dry camp to avoid rotation, no limited stays either like so many others seemingly impose on those not favored by management.

Homesteaders...don't we just love them... 1 year 2 months ago #16038

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Hawkeyewife wrote: It would be great if the military embraced this lifestyle for folks that are looking for a minimalistic (or as my daughter puts it, smaller carbon footprint) way of life. Think of how much less PCS costs would be if even 10% of AD families were given this option? We have four kids and moved from our five bedroom base house (where we paid full BAH plus additional utility costs that varied not based upon consumption but a rather arbitrary billing system based upon comparison of homes in our community which could be occupied or unoccupied) into a 425 sq ft fifth wheel two years ago. We will retire here so PCS costs won't be saved in our case but we are in a much better financial place having downsized before retirement than after.


Command should be moving you back into quarters, 4 kids should not be living/growing up in a fifth wheel when the gov pays for your family to have proper housing. A service member and a spouse with two pets yes, not kids though.

At macdill there's warrant officer female who has four kids elementary school aged kids who lived in a bunkhouse 30 foot pull behind till she sized up to a toy hauler fifth wheeler when she got her taxes 2017, she paid off a BMW before she sized up to the fifth wheeler which isn't as creepy as her four kids sharing a bunkhouse and her living on the dinette folded down, that was a total CPS case there as that's illegal actually; both boys and girls having to share a bedroom over toddler ages.
It's creepy people like this is why us senate is ending BAH allowances and going to a receipts/reimbursement system soon as they're tired of seeing this child abuse; that's what it is when you have 4 kids growing up at a famcamp in a trailer/RV when the service member is paid good money to provide quarters for its dependant children and they choose to let kids suffer cramped living conditions in transient housing areas; what famcamp is essentially.

Personally I'd like to see a rule like the pet rule of two pets & two kids and absolutely no homesteading with kids living in famcamps period, short term vacationing families I can see but kids yelling and screaming, running around famcamps unsupervised creating disruptions gets old fast. Met those gramma/grammas types who are raising their grandkids in famcamps, worse than active duty types doing this bad behavior.
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Homesteaders...don't we just love them... 1 year 2 months ago #16052

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First I'm not from the north. Second I'm a full-timer. When I return to my home base I need to be there for a time longer than 30 days, due to medical appointments, etc. The FAMCAMP at my "home base" unquote has almost 90 spots. They cannot, for reasons they are unable to explain, maintain a reservation system. They used to have certain spots that were for like 3 day stays maximum but they did away with that. this whole thread started about homesteaders and had turned into bashing anyone who stays more than 30 days. WTF?

Homesteaders...don't we just love them... 1 year 2 months ago #16053

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Okay, can we agree that FamCamps are an MWR function? If so where does being a "Full-Timer" give you the right to stay at the famcamps as your home? FamCamps are for morale, welfare and recreation of active duty, retirees, their dependents and 100% DAV. If you need a place to park and live in your camper at a certain location then buy a lot and live in it but don't take a spot that doesn't allow those of us who just want a vacation destination. So it really doesn't matter if you're from the North or South if you need to stay in a particular location then buy like the rest of the homeowners in America that's the point or WTF! This thread is about homesteaders and homesteaders are people who live at the MWR famcamps year round. I've said too much already I bid you all a good day.
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Homesteaders...don't we just love them... 1 year 1 month ago #16055

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DILLIGAFF wrote: Okay, can we agree that FamCamps are an MWR function?


Your reasoning makes sense to me and I agree 100% I suspect that short term recreational campers and those that want to live in military recreational camp sites will never agree. We have to hope that the base commanders will understand that their campgrounds are not housing areas and regulate them accordingly.
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Homesteaders...don't we just love them... 1 year 1 month ago #16057

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"Short Term" needs to be defined. I don't see anything wrong with a 90-day stay limit within a calendar year. Many campers want to visit an area for more than a week or two. But "living" in a recreational campground for more than 3 months shouldn't be allowed.
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Homesteaders...don't we just love them... 1 year 1 month ago #16058

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From what I've been told, the Navy is trying to impose uniform length of stay policy on ALL of their campgrounds. There's the problem. Some campgrounds have no problem having a high occupancy with a two week maximum stay. Others would lose valuable MWR income with limiting stays to two weeks. Naval Station Mayport is a case in point for me because we like to go there two or three times a year for a week or two at a time. This supposedly Navy-Wide change allows stays of 30 days up to six months.with the possibility of extension. Even 30 day stays at Mayport would mean a LOT of folks that might get to stay there won't be able to. And for every person that stays 6 months, well you get the idea. Mayport is near 100% today and for months to come. MacDill is a ghost town and probably Key West has plenty of open spaces. We went to Orlando this week because we couldn't get into Mayport. We're at the Encore Lake Magic CG and this place is a ghost town. They've got to let the base commanders manage their campgrounds. And the MWR Director and and base CO have to find the compromise between access and utilization ($). My point of view is shaped by our travel habits. I know snow-birds, traveling full timers and those that don't travel but the RV is their home have other points of view. I guess dealing with us as a group is like herding cats.
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Homesteaders...don't we just love them... 1 year 1 month ago #16074

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I just returned from a trip to Sigsbee, Mayport and Kings Bay. I took time at Sigsbee to talk bout their occupancy, reservation and rotation policies with the office personnel while there. The currently have 50-60 Active Duty and civilian base employees living in the RV Park full-time (i.e. homesteaders). From May to October they occupy over 50% of the available FHU sites. MWR is also required to keep 8 site available for Active Duty and other short term (less than 14 days) vacationers. I was there for 7 days but could not get one of these sites because they are really reserved for Active Duty only, so 6 of them sat empty for the 7 days we were there even though there were people dry camping in overflow. What I didn't understand was why Active Duty personnel were in the RV park when base housing was not 100% occupied. Are the rules different now that subcontractors run base housing? All I got out of the discussion was the retiree travelers are not 2nd but 3rd class citizens as far as base commanders and MWR are concerned.
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Homesteaders...don't we just love them... 1 year 1 week ago #16123

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HI Everyone,
This is an interesting thread with several points of view! I'm curious about your views on the themes underpinning this discussion.

1. Do you think full time RVing is appropriate for any American?
2. Do you think full time RVing is appropriate for active duty military?
2a. Would your opinion change if all bases enforced strict anti-homesteading policies? In effect, active duty/contractor full-timers would have to use commercial facilities which are intended for homesteading.
3. Do you think full time RVing is appropriate for families with children?
3a. Would your opinion change if rooms separated children of opposite gender?
3b. Would your opinion change if one of the parents was a certified teacher homeschooling the children?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
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BlueNova I'll give you my opinion but that won't be the norm:
1. Do you think full time RVing is appropriate for any American? Full time RVing is a lifestyle, just like living off the grid, it's a choice.
2. Do you think full time RVing is appropriate for active duty military? Again this is a lifestyle choice by the AD person.
2a. Would your opinion change if all bases enforced strict anti-homesteading policies? In effect, active duty/contractor full-timers would have to use commercial facilities which are intended for homesteading. I believe that all military installations should not have homesteading. There should be time limits on your stay. Should you need to stay longer than that then buy property and homestead it up.
3. Do you think full time RVing is appropriate for families with children? Sure. I think there should be enough room for the kids. I don't see 10 kids living in a 24' RV is appropriate but then again I think the largest base housing available is 4 bed 2 baths.
3a. Would your opinion change if rooms separated children of opposite gender? No.
3b. Would your opinion change if one of the parents was a certified teacher homeschooling the children? No.
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Homesteaders...don't we just love them... 1 year 6 days ago #16127

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Cdr_Cody wrote: I just returned from a trip to Sigsbee, Mayport and Kings Bay. I took time at Sigsbee to talk bout their occupancy, reservation and rotation policies with the office personnel while there. The currently have 50-60 Active Duty and civilian base employees living in the RV Park full-time (i.e. homesteaders). From May to October they occupy over 50% of the available FHU sites. MWR is also required to keep 8 site available for Active Duty and other short term (less than 14 days) vacationers. I was there for 7 days but could not get one of these sites because they are really reserved for Active Duty only, so 6 of them sat empty for the 7 days we were there even though there were people dry camping in overflow. What I didn't understand was why Active Duty personnel were in the RV park when base housing was not 100% occupied. Are the rules different now that subcontractors run base housing? All I got out of the discussion was the retiree travelers are not 2nd but 3rd class citizens as far as base commanders and MWR are concerned.


Dawn (campground manager @ sigsbee) doesn't impress me, especially after her & husband outed themselves as being part of the childish local incrowd cool group aka base mafia playing favorates and discriminating those they don't favor.

You were actually done wrong, rules weren't followed in your case or maybe you declined a pad? I say that as when I lived at sigsbee summer of 2015 (off season) sigsbee RVers were "off rotation"
The corruption was so bad the campground hosts jokedaround the campground they discouraged people who called ahead from coming with all kinds of bad intel cuz they didn't wanna go "on rotation" had people showed up wanting pads...which is how it works from my understanding, no rotation needed provided there isnt a person, list of persons wanting hookups.
Had you insisted you wanted a pad they've been obligated to clear a pad for you, cleared first the person (non active duty) who'd been squatting the longest on pad, then they'd rotated back on list but I'll speculate one of two things happened?

1-they didn't offer you a pad, or inform you of the rules nor did you read the rules so as to know better and took their lie as policy?

2-they told you, or you knew the rule and opted out from bumping someone off the pads and dry camped as you didn't want to be "that guy" whom whole campground would've hated as you'd been the one making the rotation rule go into effect?
When rotation goes into effect it's a nightmare as initial people bummed off pads climb back onto pads in a few days only to be bummed after two weeks.
Though this never seemingly happens due to in fall when you'd think it'd have to happen as season comes on, influx comes to town/base the opening of trumbo point annex dry camp prevents this due to so many summer squatters rotate off pads at sigsbee to trumbo annex for the non rotational squatters seasonal system.
No I don't think you did this I say it in snarkiness spirit of political correctness cuz I had to explain this...

Corruption at sigsbee never ceases to amaze me...btw the "sigsbee for newbs" needs a update...
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