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Re: I.D. cards for retired D.O.D. civilians 9 years 10 months ago #2360

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The base commander here at Sigsbee and Trumbo campgrounds are allowing Retired DOD civilians to camp here this year. The issue has not been resolved whether they are allowed here or not.


Bill,

Wonder if there has been a change of command at the base since last year? The Navy usually moves their senior officer's around every 12 to 24 months. When we were there last February they were very adamant that the CO had cut off DOD Civilians. It will be interesting how this plays out, especially after the first of the year when the place normally starts to fill up. Keep us posted.
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Re: I.D. cards for retired D.O.D. civilians 9 years 10 months ago #2478

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Hey everyone - I am recently retired DoD (Army) civilian and was thrilled to find this website until I read all of the hatred, etc. I truly thought that I've earned what few benefits I have been advised of. I also thought for all of the years I worked, it was to make things safer for our military - all branches. (I worked in Missile and Helicopter Research and Development.) I (and my co-workers) put in many hours of unpaid overtime to correct issues that arose from the weapons systems and to support those deployed personnel. I am very hurt and disappointed to find out that the troops don't feel that way. (Our ability to use facilities are on a space available, bit more cost, etc., but that seems to be overlooked.)

When I logged on this morning, it was to donate to the website, buy the software, etc., to help support what I thought was a great, family type atmosphere. I believe I will wait now. Never have been one to go where I wasn't wanted.

Re: I.D. cards for retired D.O.D. civilians 9 years 10 months ago #2481

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Don't let one or two negative posts send you away -- we all earned cerain benefits for what we each contributed ... and each one gets in the proper line for those benefits -- and every one earned what they get regardless, and knew what those were when he/she signed up ...and I, for one, assume each will get in that proper line and get whatever they have earned ... personally at least I also have no problem camping next door to DOD.

Re: I.D. cards for retired D.O.D. civilians 9 years 10 months ago #2487

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I agree completely with Monkey. We have all taken different paths to get to where we are today.

Mary and I are retired Army and full-time RVers and we believe that decisions on who is entitle to what are made several pay grades above ours by those who know best who deserves what. As long as everyone is treated fairly and with respect then we are satisfied.

I think that we all get frustrated with homesteaders and the unfair way that some MCGs seem to enforce the rules and regulations and unfortunately sometimes let those frustrations get in the way of our judgment on other issues.

So many DOD civilians now do jobs that a few years ago were being done by uniformed personnel. In fact many DOD positions are held by former service members who did not stay in service long enough to retire but have earned their retirement in civil service. One of the things that 9-11 pointed out very clearly is that terrorism does not discriminate between uniformed and civilian employees. Many fine DOD civilians lost their lives in the Pentagon that day because of their service to our Nation.

Service to the Nation takes so many different forms. Everyone's service is honorable and should be rewarded unless there is evidence to the contrary.

Let he who has the most honorable service cast the first stone . . .
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Re: I.D. cards for retired D.O.D. civilians 9 years 10 months ago #2507

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Thanks Monkey and Cheldreth. :)
I agree with both of you and feel much better now. I was really surprised to read the negative posts.
I also don't think that some people do not realize that DoD retirees get Retired Civilian ID cards. These entitle us to MWR activities on posts per the MCG's enforcement of the regs. These MWR privileges are also not at the same rates, or come ahead of any military retiree. This, in my opinion, is as it should be. As you stated, how the MCG enforces the rules and regulations is something no one has control over.
These do not give us things like PX privileges, and shouldn't.
My step-father is retired military and he, rightfully, has many more benefits than I do. We both think it is neat though, that if space is available in a particular campground, that we can meet up and camp together. Every now and then we even get adjacent lots.

Re: I.D. cards for retired D.O.D. civilians 9 years 10 months ago #2509

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I also don't think that some people do not realize that DoD retirees get Retired Civilian ID cards.


Can you shed some light on the original subject of this discussion?
  • What ID card (form #) did you receive and where did you receive it from?
  • What is required for proof of retired DoD civilian status?

I'm asked many times these same questions. My research shows that there IS NOT a standard ID card for retired DoD civilians. The OPM has confirmed that no card exists. Of course, this causes problems for retired DoD to gain access to the military campgrounds that they may be authorized to use (local commanders determination).

The USAF does have a ID card for DoD civlians who retired from a USAF job (AF Form 354 - Civilian Identification Card).
While the Army doesn't have an ID card for retired DoD civilians, I have been told that a retired DoD civilian "may" be able to obtain a DA Form 1602 - Civilian Identification Card.
I'm not aware of any ID cards from all other services and DoD.

Thanks for any help.
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Re: I.D. cards for retired D.O.D. civilians 9 years 9 months ago #2515

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"While the Army doesn't have an ID card for retired DoD civilians, I have been told that a retired DoD civilian "may" be able to obtain a DA Form 1602 - Civilian Identification Card."

I am retired Army civilian - I did receive the DA Form 1602 with RET DA CIV annotated in the status. It was an automatic event as part of the outprocessing procedure for retirees. You turned in your CAC and received the Form 1602. As a matter of fact, you couldn't complete clearing post until you had your "retired" ID. While I thought it was standard practice, this could be a local commander initiative.

When I have made reservations at campgrounds, I have been asked for status, last 4 of SSN, and name generally.

Upon entering most installations, after I have identified my destination; my driver's license and/or this ID is requested.

Afraid this isn't much help since you already knew this information. I have no idea what other DoD retirees receive as ID. I am suspecting nothing from your post. Possibly their last SF50 would serve as proof of retiree status?

Does that help?

Re: I.D. cards for retired D.O.D. civilians 9 years 9 months ago #2516

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Normalee, Thanks - that does help. I'm glad your Army post had their act together. I've heard other retired Army civilians being turned down the DA Form 1602 since the regs don't specifically state it's for "Retired".
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Re: I.D. cards for retired D.O.D. civilians 3 years 9 months ago #12570

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As a recent DoD civilian employee I was very surprised a CAC card will be available to me when I retire in 2016 after 5 years with my agency. I served in Kabul in 2013 and was in the USMC from 1968-70. A very large number of DoD civilian employees are veterans.

Although I never asked, it seems to me the CAC is issued because we are part of the DoD family, and we should have a low priority for the use of facilties. The active duty folks I work with are THE BEST!

One very good point is that civilan managers do not understand or do not care to provide input during the annual evaluation period of our uniformed coworkers. That is shameful.

I.D. cards for retired D.O.D. civilians 4 weeks 1 day ago #16343

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I wanted to join the ruckus from 10 yrs. ago. Now that I am looking at the back side of my Federal Career both NAF and APF and an MWR 0188 Rec. Specialist. With no Disrespect to anyone, especially those in Uniformed Services. Instead of making a statement pro or con, I'll let all you judge, both Military retirees and Federal civilian retirees.

Out of college (1986) with a brand new Rec. degree in hand, bright eyed, naïve, thrilled and honored to serve those in the military and ready to fight every battle to improve their "QOL" Quality of Life, I went overseas on "orders and travel agreement".

Apr. 1986 to Jan 1987 Camp Hovey 8th Army Korea. UA 5 (NAF) MWR Community REC. Programmer 10 miles from the DMZ
Promoted
Jan. 1987 to July 1988 UA 7 (NAF) Grewewski Barracks, Karlsruhe W. Germany. Cold War. Wall was coming down I got out went to private sector.
Jan 1999 to June 2000 NF 3 WMR Community REC. Dir. KFOR Camp Able Sentry Macedonia The Balkans.
Promoted
Oct 2000 to Dec. 2003 NF 4 Afloat MWR Dir. US Navy USS John C. Stennis CVN 74 & USS BonHomme Richard LHD 6
Deployed "Operation Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom"
Dec. 2003 to June 2008 GS 5 MWR Outdoor Rec./ITT MGR. 939th ARW Portland OR. BRAC
May 2016 to Nov 2016 GS 9 MWR Special Events Coordinator, Camp Arifjan, Kuwait.
Next ????
Status married Oct 2000.

Am I worthy of the benefit for my service? Sacrificing time away from my family to serve. Living and working on a Aircraft Carrier and Amphib for 3 years, supporting morale and quality of life programs side by side with the troops around the world, hearing shots fired in anger. Deployed near the DMZ. etc...

In Macedonia, I wore the uniform (BDU's) supported ops in Kosovo, Camp BondSteel and Monteith, the only place in my life that the hair stood up on the back of my neck. I have more forward deployed time than some in uniform. Does that count, I swore allegiance to protect and defend the Constitution, although most don't understand what a privilege and Honor that is today.

Selfless service isn't just demonstrated by those that are in Military uniform, how many civilians have made the ultimate sacrifice and would do it again. I have nothing but the best memories of the programs and facilities I managed. Being a part of each command and community, the pride and knowledge that I was doing something bigger.

It all comes down to one thing. The people you meet along the way. You throw away the Knuckleheads and keep the rest. Bad managers, bad CO's, Bad NCO"s. The ones that just never "Got It" or never will. It's all about the people and keeping a positive attitude. Being able to always find a way to say "Yes"! not "No"! I have delivered programs and activities that have not been forgotten. Proof? You want Proof?

In June of 2015 I was working for the Navy in SD, I was in the Starbucks on the "Dry Side" 32nd st. with a colleague. A SR. Chief came up to me and said "Hi Gregg, You were the Fun Boss on the John C. Stennis. I will never forget what you did for us. You were the best I ever seen up to this day!
It wasn't so much that according to her I was the best she ever seen, but that she remembered my name! after 15 years, she remembered my name. When you work in Morale and Services, you wonder if you really make a difference in the lives of those you are there to serve? Well, that questioned was answered for me and validated my career.

With or with out the DOD retiree card no one can take that away from me.

Thank you to all Federal Employees, your service matters!
R.

Gregg K.
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I.D. cards for retired D.O.D. civilians 3 weeks 6 days ago #16344

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Thank you for your support of the active duty force, both in and out of CONUS. I think military retirees would agree with you that Federal Employees service is important. As your retirement gets closer, I wish you the best.

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First - Gregg, thank you for your service. In my 20 year military adventure, I saw the very real benefits that the MWR (now called Services) folks provided to the 'troops.' Much appreciated.

Second - IF you retired from Civil Service, then you were eligible for a civilian retired ID card. That card would get you on just about any US Military base in CONUS. Overseas bases are subject to Status of Forces agreements with the host country and many DON'T allow ANY retirees to use the base services.

Third - Military base Commanders have a tremendous amount of authority on who can, and who cannot, use their base and it's services. May not seem fair to some, but it is what it is.

Last - did you happen to note that this is a 9 year old thread? The whole thread might not be relevant today.

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I.D. cards for retired D.O.D. civilians 4 days 19 hours ago #16373

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I wanted to share this information with all Coast Guard civilians about to retire or are retired.

YOU ARE ELIGIBLE TO POSSESS A CIVILIAN DOD CAC CARD!

I have attached the entire email traffic I had with Dept. of HR as a reference for all. Please share this information with any and all
Coast Guard civilians that you may know. They've earned this benefit also.

Thank you.

Message
From: DHRA MC-ALEX HQ Mailbox CAC [This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 5:04 AM
To: Kininmonth, Gregg S CIV
Cc: DODHRA MC-ALEX DMDC Mailbox CAC Support
Subject: RE: DOD Retiree CAC ID Card

Mr. Kininmouth,

To clarify, civilian employees who retire from the Coast Guard are eligible for the DoD Civilian Retiree ID card. In order to receive the ID card, you should bring proof of pay grade at retirement (e.g. SF-50) and provide two forms of acceptable ID, www.cac.mil/Portals/53/Documents/List_of...ptable_Documents.pdf to your nearest ID card site.

You may use the RAPIDS site locator, www.dmdc.osd.mil/rsl/ , to find the ID card site nearest you.

Respectfully,

CAC.MIL Support Team
ID Card and Benefits Policy
Headquarters, Defense Human Resources Activity (DHRA)
4800 Mark Center Drive, Suite 03E25
Alexandria, VA 22350
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Original Message
From: Kininmonth, Gregg S CIV [This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 2:09 PM
To: DODHRA MC-ALEX DMDC Mailbox CAC Support
Subject: RE: DOD Retiree CAC ID Card

Mr. Jonathan Baldwin,

I greatly appreciate you taking the time to reply to me. I have reviewed CG COMDTINST M5512.1A 8 JAN 2010 COMMANDANT INSTRUCTION M5512.1A

Subj:
IDENTIFICATION CARDS FOR MEMBERS OF THE UNIFORMED SERVICES, THEIR ELIGIBLE FAMILY MEMBERS, AND OTHER ELIGIBLE PERSONNEL. DoD Manual 1000.13, volume 1 (DoD ID Cards: ID Card Life-Cycle)

Based on what I am reading, I think that Civ. CG employees are authorized, Since the CG falls under Other Uniformed Services but it is as clear as mud, LOL....

I hope I am correct, since I don't want to have to transfer back to the DOD for this benefit.
This was going to be my last Federal Job before retiring, but if I can't get a retired CAC through the CG , I will transfer back to the DOD and retire out.

It may sound a bit shallow, but I have made many sacrifices as a DOD employee in MWR throughout my career and would like this benefit.

I will continue further research.

V/R

Gregg S. Kininmonth
Command Administrative Asst.
US Coast Guard Sector Columbia River
503-861-6206



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From: DODHRA MC-ALEX DMDC Mailbox CAC Support [This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Kininmonth, Gregg S CIV; DHRA MC-ALEX HQ Mailbox CAC
Cc: DODHRA MC-ALEX DMDC Mailbox CAC Support
Subject: RE: DOD Retiree CAC ID Card

Mr. Kininmouth,

The Common Access Card (CAC) is for current employees (military, civilian, and select contract support personnel) of the DoD, USCG, PHS, and NOAA. The DoD policy that outlines this is DoD Manual 1000.13, volume 1 (DoD ID Cards: ID Card Life-Cycle), www.cac.mil/Portals/53/Documents/DODM-1000.13_vol1.pdf . Additional information on the CAC can be found at www.cac.mil .

I believe the DoD civilian retiree credential is only for individuals who retire from DoD and can provide a copy of their SF 50 (Notification of Personnel Action). I am copying to this thread DoD ID card policy leads to verify this information.

Regards,
Jonathan Baldwin
Supporting DMDC Credentialing Division


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From: Kininmonth, Gregg S CIV [This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.]
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 3:31 PM
To: DODHRA MC-ALEX DMDC Mailbox CAC Support
Subject: DOD Retiree CAC ID Card

Can you send me the authorization resource for who is eligible for this CAC card. Specifically that Coast Guard Civilian Employees are eligible for the Card.

Being a Former DOD and probably future DOD employee again I want to share this with my current Coast Guard civilian Community.

Thank you
R.

Gregg S. Kininmonth
Command Administrative Asst.
US Coast Guard Sector Columbia Rive

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Maybe I am wrong....but I don't think it is a CAC card. I think it is a picture ID with some kind of hologram on it. I see where apparently there is a recently approved DOD Retired Civilian ID card.

www.militaryonesource.mil/-/department-o...identification-cards

www.msc.navy.mil/civmar/newsletter/news....7822&edition=092010/

When I retired from Civil Service at Fort Gordon, they said they had a little 2 x3 cardboard retired civilian ID they could type up but they would not even give me one of them because I was also retired military. They said there was no advantage to having a civilian retired ID since my military retired ID had all and more privileges.

I guess if you have retired military ID there is no point to having a retired civil service ID as long as the checks keep coming in.
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Qualified retired DOD civilians will need the CAC to gain access to US Military Campgrounds and RV Parks. The old, retired civilian ID card reflects "NO privileges". The CAC was authorized for retired DOD civilians about 5 or 6 years ago.
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I apologize. I am using the wrong reference. I meant to say Civilian CG employees are qualified to get a retirement card. I shouldn't have used the term CAC card. There is no chip in the retirement ID card.

Thank you Larry for creating and hosting a great web site and resource. I am always referring Military and DOD civilians to it.
I've been followoing it for years.
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