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FT Belvoir Update 10 years 2 weeks ago #3578

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We use the RV storage lot at Ft Belvoir. Yesterday, I went to pay my bill at Outdoor rec and asked about the progress of the new campground. They have a drawing posted on the wall of the layout, and I was told that the contract has been awarded and the contractor has a January 2011 completion date deadline. Looks like it will be pretty good. Nothing huge. Believe it was approx 30 pull thru sites and about 20-25 back in sites, all full hookups. Tent sites, a pavillion, and cabins too. Looks very promising. Will plan to pay bill in person every three months so I can check on progress....

Re: FT Belvoir Update 10 years 2 weeks ago #3579

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Great news! Thanks for the update!
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Re:FT Belvoir Update 8 years 2 months ago #7374

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Does anyone have any 2010 news about Ft. Belvoir RV Camping? Are there any spaces completed, with hookups? Prices?

What about storage?

We are newbies...just got our 374 motorhome and looking for some quick trips out of DC.

Thanks! :)
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Re:FT Belvoir Update 8 years 2 months ago #7375

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Cheatham annex in VA is a nice Park close to Williamsburg for a getaway.

Re:FT Belvoir Update 7 years 7 months ago #7983

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Any new updates???

Re:FT Belvoir Update 7 years 6 months ago #8013

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I'll try and check status on my next Commissary run.. Last time that I checked they had plans/sketches posted in the Outdoor Rec office off of Little Road.

Below link is where I remember the future park to be located.

BTW. Ft Belvoir has express bus (only a dozen or so stops) to the Huntington Metro Station.

maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=e....01531,0.025964&z=15

Re:FT Belvoir Update 5 years 8 months ago #10652

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Good News concerning Fort Belvoir.
I just spoke with the Director of Outdoor Recreation at Belvoir.
They will be having a "soft"opening of the Campground in March 2013 and
a Grand opening in June. It will supposedly be a "Very Nice" facility with 52 pads all full hookups all capable of handling rigs up to 40'.
No permanent personnel and a two week maximum stay.

Re:FT Belvoir Update 5 years 7 months ago #10748

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On Dec 4th I stopped by Outdoor Recreation and spoke to the manager. They have pushed the soft opening back to 01 June. The site is in front of the Outdoor Rec office, the only work I noticed was a couple of Oak trees cut. The rules are 2 weeks in and 1 week out. They said they would have cable, internet, 50/30 amp, water and sewer. The manager proposed to the Command to charge $55.00 a night with no discounts. They based the rate on off base prices. She also said the location on the Potomac river was a consideration when determining the price. I didn't get a real warm and fuzzy from the manager or facility. I told her I thought the rate was high considering it was a MWR campground. I asked her isn't the purpose to support active and retiree soldiers. She said " the MWR doesnt work that way anymore", I was speechless. I told her the rates weren't in line with other Military campgrounds in the area (Fort Meade). I said the rate should be lower since they don't pay taxes and other overhead fees, she just looked at me. It is a nice location and a lot of changes to the base including a new state of the art medical facility, great service. I don't think anyone there knows anything about a campground or running one. Like some other Military campgrounds this facility is probably to offset the their other losses in the MWR program.
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Re:FT Belvoir Update 5 years 7 months ago #10754

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Watching budget stuff lately, and methods of raising money, and cutting services, I really, really hope that mentality doesn't filter down into the campgrounds ... $55 a night is outrageous for a MCG

I wonder what in the world the price of private campground has to do with military campgrounds??

Sounds like 'milk the cow to feed the neighbors' instead of to feed the family.

But, when that happens, we all lose again. There's more noise in the wind too, about cutting out the commissary ... bummer !!

Re: FT Belvoir Update 5 years 7 months ago #10760

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$55/night also will close it down...who's going to pay that??? Hey, Larry, do we have an ICE link for Ft. Belvoir, yet????

Re: FT Belvoir Update 5 years 7 months ago #10763

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Well, who will pay that is the guys on BHA that have money to burn, or DOD that gets paid subsidy ... because us retired can't afford $1700 a month for a plug and a tap, and a dump. Makes NO sense.

But if command lets BHA or DOD, then these guys will stay, and it will make a ton of money, and they'll say, "See we're right" and it will filter down to others and we'll lose the fair prices now all over - bummer!!

Re: FT Belvoir Update 5 years 5 months ago #10965

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I drove by the campground a couple days ago and it looks like there will be plenty of room between the sites which have concrete pads with asphalt driveways.

I talked with one of the MWR staff and he stated there were work orders in to get trees trimmed on the roads leading to the campground. They need it because the roads are narrow and trees overhang. In my opinion, the roads need to be repaved as well. Lots of sub-standard patching resulting in potholes, bumps, etc.

Location is nice but it is at the bottom of a fairly steep hill.

I don't know about the $55 price mentioned above, but if they are comparing the price to civilian campgrounds, the closest one to Fort Belvoir (Pohick Bay Regional Park) charges $43.50 per night for full hook-ups (30/50 AMP). Be cheaper to stay off-base.

Re: FT Belvoir Update 5 years 2 months ago #11575

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Grand Opening ceremony is May 22nd. Don't know if camping is allowed starting then.

Information on the new campground is now on the website, which can be found here.

Nightly fee is $60 PER NIGHT. No discounts, no weekly or monthly rates. Ouch! :ohmy:
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Re: FT Belvoir Update 5 years 2 months ago #11577

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Wonder what would happen if a MCG opened (at $55 a night) and no one came?

Some parks charge a little more or a little less, but usually somewhere around $20 or under, depending on where, but I hope this doesn't make all the other MCGs think the fees can go that high.

Gonna start pricing like the civilian parks - and run another benefit into the ground.

Re: FT Belvoir Update 5 years 2 months ago #11579

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Cherry Hill RV Park is close to DC and right near a Metro station. Current rate there is $62 a night, and they give a 10% military discount. They also have better amenities, including 2 pools and hot tubs. Seems like we would get more here for less. Where's the advantage of staying at Belvoir?

Like Monkey said...wonder what they'd do if nobody showed up? :laugh:
The only thing wrong with being retired is that you never get a day off!
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Like Monkey said...wonder what they'd do if nobody showed up?

Ditto...

They do have an ICE link for feedback. Perhaps everyone needs to let them know what we think.

Found out the campground will open for business on May 15th, with limited amenities.
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Re: FT Belvoir Update 5 years 2 months ago #11581

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We agree 100% with Larry and others. ICE a good idea.

Will make one comment though - I'd take a 'soft approach' to any notes you write. Most often, if a manager/commander gets a complaining angry response, it will achieve the status of a rant, which is usually the circular file.

But, think it out, compare briefly to other MCGs in the country, prices but for a few are $16-$20 a night, and ask him to explain why this one is so high, and where the money goes from it.

You'll get a "we had to build it" probably response, and a "compare with others in DC area", which are too high as well.

I know, we're military, and uses to giving and taking orders, so that's why the 'gentle' approach might carry more weight. It's unusual. :)

And a reminder the commander that this is supposed to be recreation for AD and retired, not a cash producer. I believe this will gain more notice with a soft approach tho' ... major ranting complainers aren't given much credibility.

Course, as commander, he might toss all of it ...

That's just my take - and a follow up note to your own congressman might be good too. I plan to do both, and will copy the note here and the response if I get one.

Re: FT Belvoir Update 5 years 2 months ago #11586

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I think monkey's advice was good and I did fill out an ICE comment. I tried to follow the advice to be diplomatic but on rereading my comments I see I fell off the rails a little, but I sent it anyway. Could they really fill up at that price? Facility info on this website says it's $60 a night -- Could that be right?

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Well, I got a quick reply to my ICE comment and it's pretty much what I expected.

Thank you for your comment card, all comments and concerns are how we improve our services. DFMWR at Fort Belvoir spent a lot of time doing research and time developing the plan for our Travel Camp. The price is $60.00 per night and we are sorry that is not within your travel budget.
We hope that you considered giving us an opportunity to show you our Travel Camp even if you are not an overnight guest. The Travel Camp has 52 sites each are fully loaded with water, electric, sewer, cable TV, wifi, a picnic table and fire ring. Each site has a great view of the Potomac River and is located between two fishing piers that turn out great catches year round. The site of your choice will be 40 foot in length and 20 feet wide with a 10 foot by 10 foot extension where your picnic table will sit. The Travel Camp also has a community pavilion and fire pit for group gatherings.
We hope that you will make time to give us a try and let us know how your experience compares to other stays. Please let me know if you have any questions.
Again thank you for your comment and sorry for the disappointment but we hope you see the value in our Travel Camp when you visit us soon.

Have a great day,
Brianna

Re: FT Belvoir Update 5 years 2 months ago #11588

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floridakamper wrote: Well, I got a quick reply to my ICE comment and it's pretty much what I expected.

Thank you for your comment card, all comments and concerns are how we improve our services. DFMWR at Fort Belvoir spent a lot of time doing research and time developing the plan for our Travel Camp. The price is $60.00 per night and we are sorry that is not within your travel budget.
We hope that you considered giving us an opportunity to show you our Travel Camp even if you are not an overnight guest. The Travel Camp has 52 sites each are fully loaded with water, electric, sewer, cable TV, wifi, a picnic table and fire ring. Each site has a great view of the Potomac River and is located between two fishing piers that turn out great catches year round. The site of your choice will be 40 foot in length and 20 feet wide with a 10 foot by 10 foot extension where your picnic table will sit. The Travel Camp also has a community pavilion and fire pit for group gatherings.
We hope that you will make time to give us a try and let us know how your experience compares to other stays. Please let me know if you have any questions.
Again thank you for your comment and sorry for the disappointment but we hope you see the value in our Travel Camp when you visit us soon.

Have a great day,
Brianna

Pretty much the same reply I got from my ICE submission. I followed-up with another email trying to justify my concerns on their high price. Especially since Andrews AFB, Annapolis, and Camp Meade military campgrounds are nearby and all are under $30 a night. I didn't get a reply to that email. I'm sure they may be questioning the decision for a $60 a night rate.
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