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Second Class Citizen
- William R. Morgan
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9 years 3 months ago #13838
by William R. Morgan
Second Class Citizen was created by William R. Morgan
I am Retired from the Navy and have been trying to reserve a camping space at Fiddler's Cove in San Diego. As a retiree I can't reserve a space before 6 months. There is never a space open due to the fact everyone else can reserve a year in advance. Why don't you just say it is only available for Active Duty and be done with it.
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9 years 3 months ago #13839
by dubob
Bob Hicks, from Utah
I’m 76 years young and going as hard as I can for as long as I can.
“Free men don't ask permission to bear arms.” ― Glen Aldrich
Replied by dubob on topic Second Class Citizen
Unfortunately, your subject title says it all. Once you retired, you became a 'Second Class Citizen' as far as the military is concerned. Have you ever tried getting any medical care from a military hospital since you retired? Good luck with that one.
Bob Hicks, from Utah
I’m 76 years young and going as hard as I can for as long as I can.
“Free men don't ask permission to bear arms.” ― Glen Aldrich
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9 years 3 months ago #13841
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Replied by floridakamper on topic Second Class Citizen
I'm proud to be second in line behind our active duty men and women. Unless they're using a recreational campground as base housing.
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9 years 1 month ago - 9 years 5 days ago #13935
by travelGuy
Replied by travelGuy on topic Second Class Citizen
Yep, you are Mr Second Class Citizen now.
And getting worse.
It is a fact that majority of the folks in the military today have no intention of staying. When it gets hot they get out.
Military retirees did their 20, or 20+ they need to be thanked more than being treated like a second class citizen.
Floridakamper, yep far too many HOMESTEADERS these days. FamCamps are not enforcing their own rules of X days and move on.
And getting worse.
It is a fact that majority of the folks in the military today have no intention of staying. When it gets hot they get out.
Military retirees did their 20, or 20+ they need to be thanked more than being treated like a second class citizen.
Floridakamper, yep far too many HOMESTEADERS these days. FamCamps are not enforcing their own rules of X days and move on.
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9 years 1 month ago #13937
by bill6750
Bill & Jean
Bill Retired US Army,
Viet Nam Vet, 24th Evac. Hosp.
Jean Retired from DOA
2014 Tiffin Phaeton, 40'
2018 GMC Sierra 4x4 in Toe
Replied by bill6750 on topic Second Class Citizen
Travel Guy,
I have never flew space A, what cat are retirees? It seems that we are before the Cat 4's or 5's as said in the above. Why do they get to go ahead if that is the case? Explain please?
Thanks,
I have never flew space A, what cat are retirees? It seems that we are before the Cat 4's or 5's as said in the above. Why do they get to go ahead if that is the case? Explain please?
Thanks,
Bill & Jean
Bill Retired US Army,
Viet Nam Vet, 24th Evac. Hosp.
Jean Retired from DOA
2014 Tiffin Phaeton, 40'
2018 GMC Sierra 4x4 in Toe
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9 years 1 month ago #13938
by johnandmari
Replied by johnandmari on topic Second Class Citizen
All you want to know - or not(!), can be found at the sited website.
www.amc.af.mil/amctravel/
For your entertainment, I have extracted the following:
SPACE AVAILABLE TRAVEL ELIGIBILITY
A complete listing of eligible passengers by category is contained in DoD 4515.13-R.
The following is a partial listing of eligible individuals.
Category I:
Emergency travel in connection with serious illness, death, or impending death of a member of the immediate family of the following:
United States citizen civilian employees of the DoD stationed overseas.
Full-time, paid personnel of the American Red Cross serving with United States military services overseas.
Uniformed service family members whose sponsors are stationed within the Continental United States (CONUS) and the emergency exists overseas.
Family members of United States citizen civilian employees of the DoD when both sponsor and dependents are stationed overseas at the same location.
Category II:
Sponsors on environmental and morale leave (EML) and accompanied family members.
DoD Dependent School (DoDDS) teachers and their accompanied family members in EML status during school year holiday or vacation periods.
Category III:
Members of the uniformed services in an ordinary or re-enlistment leave status and uniformed services patients on convalescent leave. Members on convalescent leave may not travel overseas unless their leave form is so annotated.
Military personnel traveling on permissive temporary duty (TDY) orders for house hunting.
If the permissive TDY is for the purpose of permanent change of station house hunting, the member travels in Category III and can be accompanied by one family member.
Dependents of military members deployed for more than 365 consecutive days.
Bona fide family members (up to age 23 with a valid identification card) of a service member of the uniformed services when accompanied by their sponsor who is in an ordinary leave status within overseas areas between overseas stations and air terminals in the CONUS.
This privilege does not apply to travel of dependents to or from a sponsor's restricted or unaccompanied tour location or to travel in a leave status to or from TDY locations. It applies only to round-trip travel to an overseas area or the CONUS with the sponsor. DoD 4515.13-R restricts use of these privileges to establish a home for family members in an overseas area or the CONUS.
Foreign exchange service members on permanent duty with the DoD, when in a leave status.
Category IV:
Dependents of military members deployed for more than 120 consecutive days.
Unaccompanied family members (18 years or older) traveling on EML orders. Family members under 18 must be accompanied by an adult family member who is traveling EML.
DoDDS teachers or family members (accompanied or unaccompanied) in an EML status during summer break.
Category V:
Unaccompanied Command-sponsored dependents.
Students whose sponsor is stationed in Alaska or Hawaii.
Students enrolled in a trade school in the CONUS when the sponsor is stationed overseas.
Military personnel traveling on permissive TDY orders for other than house hunting.
Category VI:
National Guard/Reserve components/members of the Ready Reserve and members of the Standby Reserve who are on the Active Status List.
Retired military members who are issued DD Form 2 and eligible to receive retired or retainer pay.
Family members (with a valid identification card) of retired members when accompanied by a sponsor.
www.amc.af.mil/amctravel/
For your entertainment, I have extracted the following:
SPACE AVAILABLE TRAVEL ELIGIBILITY
A complete listing of eligible passengers by category is contained in DoD 4515.13-R.
The following is a partial listing of eligible individuals.
Category I:
Emergency travel in connection with serious illness, death, or impending death of a member of the immediate family of the following:
United States citizen civilian employees of the DoD stationed overseas.
Full-time, paid personnel of the American Red Cross serving with United States military services overseas.
Uniformed service family members whose sponsors are stationed within the Continental United States (CONUS) and the emergency exists overseas.
Family members of United States citizen civilian employees of the DoD when both sponsor and dependents are stationed overseas at the same location.
Category II:
Sponsors on environmental and morale leave (EML) and accompanied family members.
DoD Dependent School (DoDDS) teachers and their accompanied family members in EML status during school year holiday or vacation periods.
Category III:
Members of the uniformed services in an ordinary or re-enlistment leave status and uniformed services patients on convalescent leave. Members on convalescent leave may not travel overseas unless their leave form is so annotated.
Military personnel traveling on permissive temporary duty (TDY) orders for house hunting.
If the permissive TDY is for the purpose of permanent change of station house hunting, the member travels in Category III and can be accompanied by one family member.
Dependents of military members deployed for more than 365 consecutive days.
Bona fide family members (up to age 23 with a valid identification card) of a service member of the uniformed services when accompanied by their sponsor who is in an ordinary leave status within overseas areas between overseas stations and air terminals in the CONUS.
This privilege does not apply to travel of dependents to or from a sponsor's restricted or unaccompanied tour location or to travel in a leave status to or from TDY locations. It applies only to round-trip travel to an overseas area or the CONUS with the sponsor. DoD 4515.13-R restricts use of these privileges to establish a home for family members in an overseas area or the CONUS.
Foreign exchange service members on permanent duty with the DoD, when in a leave status.
Category IV:
Dependents of military members deployed for more than 120 consecutive days.
Unaccompanied family members (18 years or older) traveling on EML orders. Family members under 18 must be accompanied by an adult family member who is traveling EML.
DoDDS teachers or family members (accompanied or unaccompanied) in an EML status during summer break.
Category V:
Unaccompanied Command-sponsored dependents.
Students whose sponsor is stationed in Alaska or Hawaii.
Students enrolled in a trade school in the CONUS when the sponsor is stationed overseas.
Military personnel traveling on permissive TDY orders for other than house hunting.
Category VI:
National Guard/Reserve components/members of the Ready Reserve and members of the Standby Reserve who are on the Active Status List.
Retired military members who are issued DD Form 2 and eligible to receive retired or retainer pay.
Family members (with a valid identification card) of retired members when accompanied by a sponsor.
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