MWR regulations need to be changed.

Kary: I am sorry for my hot words, but when I am misunderstood, met with hostility, and attacked, it made me very angry and I fought back. Maybe it wasn't meant that way, but it sure seemed that way to me. Your post was the most level headed, so thank you.

I do NOT have it out for retirees, I have NOT denied your service or sacrifice, and I applogize if I belittled what you went through. But don't take what I have said, done, am going and gone through as less than anybody else's either.

For you this is a lifestyle choice, for us it's a sacrifice. It's the best solution for our situtation, if you don't like it, I don't care! I'm not living my life for you. I thank GOD every day for my blessings, our situation isn't great, but it could be SOO much worse, and I know it.

I am new to this lifestyle, and apparently hit a nerve, so we'll just agree to disagree. I do not want to, and will not, infringe upon another entitled member's right to camp, or do anything, and expect the same in return. I was only trying to make a point about space availability.

You indicate that you are "new" to this lifestyle so you should maybe understand the lifestyle before throwing stones at those who have been in the lifestyle. I assume that you are drawing a quarters allowance that you are using to pay for your stay in a military campground that is considerably less than your quarters allowance.

It appears that you have options other than the MWR campground. Military housing that I have seen on my recent travels to Texas and back seem to be a tremendous improvement over what was available to me before I retired in 1984. If you cannot sell your home where you came from, that means that this is a glut of rental property on the market where you are currently living owned by military in the same situation that you find yourself in. With a two family income and one of the family members in the military, I would think that you would find more suitable housing for your family than an MWR campground.

I think that I would think about it before I start to denigrate the service of people that you do not know. When you occupy a site that is meant for the active duty, retired and 100% disabled vet folks, you are indeed denying that site to someone who is in those categories. Whether the campground is full or not is not relevant. Is the camphost supposed to make you leave when someone arrives looking for a place to stay or is trying to make a reservation? That would be impossible to manage.

I am a campground host and my thought to you on this is: Get a waiver from the commander or live within the rules. Homesteading is one of the most aggravating situations in military recreational camping today.

Your wife is to be commended for her service to our nation. You would do well to learn about the community of warriors both active, retired and that those that paid the ultimate price in service to our nation.

Curt

Curt

Man oh M
an, I guess I didn't earn my share, lets see 19 pcs's in 21 years, 5 tours in RVN, 2 PH's and a paycheck thaqt is a fraction of what you young soldiers get todaY. mY FELLOW RETIREE'S, LOOK UP WHAT THIS "POOR " PERSON GETS FOR HIS HOUSING ALLOWANCE!!!!!!!!!! YOung person, when you were a sparkle in your fathers eye I was being shot at, when your father was a sparlke in his fathers eye, our greaqtest generation that this country ever had and ever will have went to war and didn't come home til it was over, over there. I would like to know just what in the hell you do with your money that you cannot afford an apartment or a monthly discount in a civilian RV park. Don't cry to me, as a 3 stripe in 1965, my total pay was 196 per month. i rec'd 42.80 per month for being maRRIED and 1 dollar per day sep rates. My wife, my baby and I made it. SOrry folks , couldn't take it anymore.

WOW!!!! did we all miss something, cry baby implies in one of his responses that "my wife will contact her co" are both in the military, if so, they both draw baq, sep rsts etc. they are cleaning up. Hell we had to make two house payments several times while waiting for one to sell. GROW UP young man.

WOW!!!! did we all miss something, cry baby implies in one of his responses that "my wife will contact her co" are both in the military,

Oh yeah, you missed something all right, your glasses when you were reading. Try my very first sentence.

I am an Active Duty spouse and veteran,

So Larry, you made around $270 a month in 1965? And what could you BUY for your hard earned dollar then? A gallon of gas cost around 25¢, A Coke 10¢, a pair of Levi's $4.25, Converse AllStars cost $4.99, and a typical family paid $14,500 for a new house. A 1965 VW Beetle sold for about $1,300 (6 months pay) Today, a Beetle is around $18k. (same 6 months pay)

However, in the interest of being fair, some prices have dropped, like 1 gig of memory cost $20 mil, and now is $20, a 21" color TV cost $269, right at your month's pay. Today you can get a 21" LCD for (wow, just looked it up) $10 LESS!

Point is, (not that any of you care about the point) prices have changed, wages have changed, I'm not an economist, and I doubt you are either, so let's call this even.

With a two family income and one of the family members in the military,

...if I am fortunate enough to find a job.

I also stated I've been unemployed for 2 years! Are you guys just skimming when you read? Do you guys need to get a new eye glass perscription?

Your wife is to be commended for her service to our nation. You would do well to learn about the community of warriors both active, retired and that those that paid the ultimate price in service to our nation.

Curt, my wife thanks you for your kind words, and I would if they had been directed to me as well, but apparently you missed my very first sentence too, which I quoted above in this post. I AM a veteran of 16 years. I would explain my reasons I had to leave and give up my retirement, but it would just be misconstrued and pointless, but you can rest assured I am VERY bitter over that situation.

Active duty could stay longer only if there is room while making a transition ... but what happens is it becomes a way of life, and suddenly it becomes "I deserve it" instead of "I'll use it to transition" ... then others that deserve a spot for short-stays and recreation find no room.

MCG is not housing, and as long as an effort is made for AD to generate proper housing and doesn't fill a spot continuously that AD on leave or Retired recreating would use short-term. I'm in support of the AD staying longer ... but never as a permanent solution to AD housing, or in place of others who are also entitled to use the MCG.

Agreed, 95%!

As far as housing, quality of housing has (from what little I've seen and lots I've heard) improved dramaticly from years past. BUT quantity has just as equally diminished. It's VERY hard to get in, the waiting list is on average 4-6 months.

Now, let's forget about housing availability or quality for now. When you get into housing, you LOOSE your BAH. For those that have their homes elsewhere, they now can no longer use their BAH to pay their mortgage. I know of 3 AD members here (as well as myself) in this situation. But I guess it's just too bad, we should just let them go into foreclosure. Oh, when that happens, you loose your clearance, hmmm...then you loose your job, and of course housing. Problem solved, you no longer have a home, or job, or the retirement you put years in to get. Hell, we just lost the car (and RV) because we can't make the payment<s> for it or the insurance now. Well, we are no longer in the MCG anymore, happy? Maybe we can get welfare.

I doubt when other posters pcs'd many times in their careers and had to buy/sell, the real estate market wasn't nearly as bad as it is today.